By Albert N. Milliron, Founder, Politisite.com
While watching the debate last night a scripture came to mind:
Proverbs 29:9 “If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet”.
Having pointed that out, who actually won the debate? Well that appears to be a mixed bag. Partisans say their candidate won. Few undecideds changed their minds. Many saw Biden as disrespectful toward the challenger. We think the debate was a wash.
Lets take a look at the various polls that were conducted shortly after the debate by various news sources.
CNBC – [POLL RESULTS] Who do you think won the VP Debate? Paul Ryan: 56%, Joe Biden: 36%, Neither: 8%.
CNN – Undecideds VP debate was a tie. One-third say Joe Biden won. One-third say Paul Ryan won. One-third are undecided.
Get the idea? CNBC and ORC says Ryan won, CBS says Biden won, CNN and Fox focus groups said No one won.
Take your pick and tout your candidate, because there is polling data that will agree with whatever position you chose.
Like we said, we thought the debate was a wash. We think that woman voters will be more sensitive to Biden’s tactics and we think he will lose some of the undecideds based on his attitude toward his opponent. We think that Both bases will not change their positions and we expect polling to remain quite stable except a small shift toward Romney in the woman vote.
What others are saying:
Words that Work author Frank Luntz:
Luntz found the crowd had more mixed feelings about Ryan than they did of Biden, whom many of them viewed favorably earlier. Participants used words like “robotic and coached,” “confident and respectful,” “misleading,” “diplomatic and prepared” and “out of touch” to describe the congressman’s performance.
via Fox News Insider
Nate Silver from FiveThirtyEight calls Biden a Hold
My best guess: perhaps Mr. Biden can be credited with what in baseball statistics would be termed a “hold”: something a bit shy of either a win or a save and which will probably seem perfunctory with the passage of time, but which might have done his team a bit of good.
However, he won’t have relieved Mr. Obama of the burden of needing to improve his performance in next week’s presidential debate in Hempstead, N.Y.
Peter Hamby over at CNN seemed to Favor Biden in most of his analysis, but through in comments from each campaign
But was Biden too aggressive?
“I think Joe Biden is an authentic person. He speaks his mind. People know him. They expect that,” Obama senior adviser David Axelrod said. “I think that authenticity is something that people appreciate.”
The Romney campaign disagreed.
“The sighing, the eye-rolling, the grinning. I don’t know if the vice president knew that there was a camera on him the whole time, that there was a split screen,” senior Romney campaign adviser Russ Schriefer said. “Even if we thought he was making good points, I think that they stepped on his good points. He was trying to cram everything in that he could that wasn’t in the last debate to try and get it all out at once. But I don’t think he made any kind of coherent argument as to why the Obama-Biden ticket should be re-elected.”
Gergen agreed: “On style I think that Paul Ryan won the debate. The Biden dismissive laughs, the interruptions, the sort of shouting, I think that Ryan was calmer and frankly more presidential.”